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there's a whole fleet of look on the sa

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oh my gosh they're all going against the

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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so this is what happens and this is why

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it became a project blue boot case

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that night the family went into the

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house they went crazy they boarded up

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the house they boarded up all the

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windows this light terrified them they

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the next morning all the kids got out of

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bed but a cercio didn't the cersei was

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on this sofa

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and he wasn't very well

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he was shivering

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and then the next morning a cersei was

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quite definitely ill

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on the third morning of cersei bermudez

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later he was taken to hospital in bogota

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he was taken to hospital in bogota where

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dr luis e martinez garcia for your

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audience

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and said he had appeared to have been

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exposed to high levels of radiation

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he suspected it may have come from the

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the body was buried

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got use of this body that had been

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apparently exposed to radiation and they

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looked further at the doctor's autopsy

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and it showed that the doctor also noted

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that he had suffered signs of extreme

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and when the government saw this

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hypothermia they're like we're in

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toleman colombia no one's die that would

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be like someone dying of heat exhaustion

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in glasgow right it's just not going to

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they petitioned to the wife of the dead

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man of cersei to exhume his body

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they were fascinated with what this

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thing might have been

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and the wife wouldn't allow the body to

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be taken away

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at this week when the body died

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dan you can know you can possibly tell

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me what this work stands for april you

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know april the aerial

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phenomenon the research organization it

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was founded at the same time as blue

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book yeah in england yeah yeah yeah i

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can't remember what uh it stands for if

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you give me a second i can find it yeah

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i'm sure it's the aerial phenomenon

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organization however let me go on

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elias wesson flew into colombia

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on behalf of blue book for the american

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air force so the american air force are

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and they're there for three or four days

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and then those two agents vanish gone as

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if the case never happened okay

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so after this all this happening in one

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week nothing was ever heard of this was

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it the case was down this becomes one of

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colombia's most legendary ufo cases the

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the family that that mauricio necco and

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nobody to today this represents one of

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colombia's biggest open cold cases of

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nobody knows where cersei's body went

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for the air force who else

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to get that back it's hermann puerto

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this this is what he said i mean this is

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like your top guy if nasa's standing up

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ted whatever his name was right

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so her man stands up and he goes

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coincidence however do you know what he

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a phenomenon that has haunted our

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phenomenon that the family did

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them regression and they made them draw

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death which is quite cool because

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gentleman who came out i'm not going to

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do you think herman is is trying to play

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truly believe there is a phenomenon at

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play here and that keeps in line with

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these objects can potentially be fatal

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whether accidentally or not and and play

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could have been an insect bite but

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that it was anything but an insect bite

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planetarium next year right sure he's

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so i think we'll never know what people

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here's the thing so massa jazz this

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here's the thing like me appearing on

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ancient aliens the head of the

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planetariums appearing on massaja where

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crazy not crazy that's a terrible thing

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to say and people who are just

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spiritual phenomena so he's playing in

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neil degrasse tyson playing in that

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arena you know he's obviously

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committed to or has a lenience towards

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about all this stuff and discussing it

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x-files episode doesn't it and and i get

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why you you picked that one because yeah

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one aspect of that story is true then

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it really is and

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this was um

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part of a series of sightings in the

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1960s now i know in 1969 like 1969 it

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was a seminal year because you had

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was it not carter had his ufo experience

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that year too did he not announce to the

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american population that i'm sure he

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didn't know for that i think it's around

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carter

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and then you had the famous the

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berkshire ufo incident in america that

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was in the same months as this which was

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virtually the same thing one of the

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earliest and most

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famous now cases where you had a family

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in a car you were approached by a

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similar sized disc shaped metallic

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object and here's something really cool

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so the earliest ufo sighting in colombia

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is 1957 which is 12 years before that

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now that this is just puts my mind on

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fire

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columbian american naval exercise

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and there was just one line was recorded

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the lead ship

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with many reports of a fleet of spheres

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wasn't included in blue book but i know

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it was inven it was it was involved in

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some way because if you google

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if you google traditional or oldest

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colombian ufo cases you get this 1957

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thing that happened in the cartagena

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coast with spheres above the hull what i

289
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find magic about that is

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that's not a light that's not a light

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phenomenon that a sphere is a sphere is

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a sphere right solid

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spherical light or

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ball lightning it wasn't that it was

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spheres and i think that was beautiful

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because now on the west coast of

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columbia and medellin and cali

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spears are reported a lot it seems to be

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the

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different shapes in different regions of

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colombia where people in cali and

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cartagena and all the way down to

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that right the southwest coast do report

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seeing these silver and white spheres

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and bizarrely there you go all their

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video form footage and stuff that they

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send us are spherical quite

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sweet and then they aren't though from

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bogota

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it's different it stops happening in

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bogota so you think to yourself

312
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there's a mass delusion psychosis

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that's hysteria

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we're projecting what we have inside out

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wouldn't you think that would be the

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same in bogota as it is

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on the west coast but isn't it

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interesting that the

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video form footages of these different

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ufos and uep are different in different

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regions

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i think that's that that makes me chew i

323
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chew on that a lot thinking why would

324
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that be the case if they weren't

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photographing something however

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there is sphere tech you know there are

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there is sphere tech but these things

328
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what back in 1957 now i don't think so i

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don't think we had flying spherical

330
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balls back in 1957.

331
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so so that was that again that so those

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are two cases but

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i should maybe do is um

334
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do you know something then can i give

335
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you to tell you another story that's

336
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connected to that last one directly

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on you go ash

338
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right great so i'm just going to get the

339
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case notes out like just put this in the

340
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right perspective so this is known as

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the pasca kabadjos ufo case

342
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right so in the summer of 2011 on the

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north coast of columbia beside the

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famous port of cartagena there's a small

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fishing village called pasca cabages

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and for six weeks in the summer of 2011

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all of the fishing people all of the

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fishermen had reported

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a large blue light that appeared in the

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sky around 7 pm every evening

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by 11 pm it was distorting all the

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television sets up the edge of the river

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the rio del dia

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so this lasted for six weeks in

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2011 then it wasn't seen again

356
00:14:31,110 --> 00:14:28,399
this went down as a ufo sighting only

357
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ufo that's all existed as at that time

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the beginning of may

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2014

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the blue ufo returns

361
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was brilliant someone got a photograph

362
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of it

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and they posted it and it made all the

364
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newspapers because it was there every

365
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night again it was coming back sipping

366
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this

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large blue

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disk shaped ufo that again started to

369
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distort people's tv sets

370
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so i was i was reading about this three

371
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years ago

372
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and myself and the wife went off to

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cartagena off up to that port we were

374
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there for three weeks

375
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after two weeks

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and i was

377
00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:17,920
dare tempted a day to get on a boat and

378
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take it out to this pasquic cabana

379
00:15:25,189 --> 00:15:23,199
george river to see

380
00:15:28,550 --> 00:15:25,199
what the conditions were at this river

381
00:15:30,389 --> 00:15:28,560
where this this reported ufo was

382
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turns out that it's one of the most

383
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dangerous rivers

384
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in colombia if not the world that's

385
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controlled by some of the worst narco

386
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traffickers narco terrorists that you

387
00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:42,000
can that that is known of the cartels

388
00:15:46,389 --> 00:15:44,160
so anyway we did get a taxi out to it we

389
00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:46,399
saw the conditions pretty run down place

390
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this is a real

391
00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:49,839
tribal area this is the only way to call

392
00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:51,680
it people live in really really solemn

393
00:15:56,150 --> 00:15:54,000
means and

394
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quite strange i thought to myself that

395
00:16:01,509 --> 00:15:58,320
an interplanetary visitor would choose

396
00:16:03,509 --> 00:16:01,519
to park itself above basket capacious

397
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:03,519
it's not much there

398
00:16:06,790 --> 00:16:05,680
however

399
00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:06,800
having the connection that it was

400
00:16:10,949 --> 00:16:08,720
exceptionally dangerous got me to go and

401
00:16:12,550 --> 00:16:10,959
research the specific dates and timings

402
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:12,560
of the ufo and listen to what i

403
00:16:19,550 --> 00:16:18,310
the ufo was last seen on the 14th of

404
00:16:21,269 --> 00:16:19,560
july

405
00:16:23,910 --> 00:16:21,279
2014

406
00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:23,920
so i got research in what happened just

407
00:16:28,310 --> 00:16:26,079
before and just after that what i

408
00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:28,320
discovered was this

409
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:30,959
on this sixty note it was the 12th of

410
00:16:35,749 --> 00:16:33,839
july 214 it was last seen on the 14th of

411
00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:35,759
july

412
00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:37,680
uss america

413
00:16:42,069 --> 00:16:41,279
2.6 billion dollar largest warship ever

414
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:42,079
built

415
00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:44,800
pulled into cartagena

416
00:16:49,990 --> 00:16:46,560
i reckon

417
00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:50,000
the us military had put some kind of

418
00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:51,680
crazy

419
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:52,959
listen to this

420
00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:55,440
metal detecting drone over the pasqua

421
00:17:00,710 --> 00:16:58,560
cabanas river there's why

422
00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:00,720
drugs cartels use what are called

423
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:02,480
cocaine hippos

424
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:04,799
ex russian submarines

425
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:07,760
remote controlled filled with 10 tonne

426
00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:09,120
of cocaine

427
00:17:14,069 --> 00:17:11,520
they sink it and they fly they send it

428
00:17:17,189 --> 00:17:14,079
out the rivers into the pacific where

429
00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:17,199
it's met and taken into north america

430
00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:20,400
so too could narco terrorists

431
00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:22,880
pack a cocaine pack a mule

432
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:25,120
full of explosives

433
00:17:29,909 --> 00:17:27,919
and sell it one mile from pascuba just

434
00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:29,919
into cartagena harbor and do a lot of

435
00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:32,720
damage to uss america i think that was

436
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:35,440
an anti-narco drone looking for

437
00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:38,400
submarine terrorist activities in the

438
00:17:43,669 --> 00:17:41,679
weeks prior to uss america pulling in

439
00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:43,679
for one of the biggest naval operations

440
00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:46,320
in colombian history how about that

441
00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:48,080
that's uh that's real interesting

442
00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:49,600
because you mentioned earlier that

443
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:51,039
people were complaining their tvs were

444
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:52,480
being interfered with

445
00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:55,360
and that would do that that would yeah

446
00:17:59,669 --> 00:17:57,679
if it's trying to scan the river for

447
00:18:01,909 --> 00:17:59,679
looking for subs or looking for any kind

448
00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:01,919
of terrorist activities

449
00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:04,240
so so this is it this is when it goes

450
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:05,840
bananas

451
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:08,799
so here's me i wrote this up columbia

452
00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:10,640
look at that i solved the ufo site and

453
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:12,080
this is probably

454
00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:15,200
again a military american military tech

455
00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:16,799
and lo and behold

456
00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:20,000
two years ago send you link for this one

457
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:23,039
are on a major colombian news station

458
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:25,679
live from pescakovagios

459
00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:28,480
there was no uss america but what

460
00:18:32,789 --> 00:18:30,400
happened was this

461
00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:32,799
hundreds and hundreds and you have to

462
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:34,799
see this it's hysteria

463
00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:36,720
all the villagers are jumping and

464
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:39,280
shouting all over the reporter because

465
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:41,039
the night before

466
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:45,039
not only had the blue ufo returned

467
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:46,720
i told you this isn't my beliefs these

468
00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:48,000
are stories

469
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:50,400
the town was terrorized by a black

470
00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:52,960
horned demon who was running around

471
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,559
killing sheep

472
00:18:59,669 --> 00:18:56,640
threat coming in he knocking holes in

473
00:19:02,789 --> 00:18:59,679
people's roofs setting fire to doors

474
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:02,799
hundreds of reports said they saw

475
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:04,480
so of course now

476
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:08,000
pasca capacious is not just home

477
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:09,280
to ofnies

478
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:11,919
but it's also home to exactly the same

479
00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:13,760
organic phenomenon

480
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,160
that what's this fellow's name james the

481
00:19:21,669 --> 00:19:18,480
phenomenon producer director james fox

482
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:21,679
yep is away in brazil

483
00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:24,880
doing exactly the same thing whereas

484
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:26,240
lights show in the sky and then you have

485
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:28,799
horned things running around so i

486
00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:31,280
thought here's me look goes and solved

487
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:33,039
some kind of thing here with american

488
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:34,799
military tech but the ufo's turned up

489
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:36,799
since and there hasn't been

490
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:39,039
a uss america so

491
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:41,039
you know you don't know what's going on

492
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:43,919
because the americans are flying drones

493
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:46,160
around the north coast in the caribbean

494
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:48,240
there i've read several papers that were

495
00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:50,000
released by the american

496
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:52,240
in 2002 there was a series of drones

497
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:53,520
that were released

498
00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:55,679
and um since then through this plan

499
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:57,360
colombia they're testing lots of stuff

500
00:20:01,750 --> 00:19:59,360
up there however

501
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:01,760
what the planetary the the chap who's

502
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:03,760
the director of the

503
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,480
hermann who's director of the guys i'm

504
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:08,000
gonna have to pause the batteries just

505
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,720
dead on this one sit

506
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:12,320
on you go mate

507
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:14,320
so we can talk about american military

508
00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:15,919
tech and drones and all these things we

509
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:18,320
want but when i'm here and her man you

510
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:20,880
know the head of the planetarium and all

511
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:22,480
most of the aviation authorities have

512
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:23,760
this real

513
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:26,640
open willingness to discuss this of me

514
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:28,880
uap thing you know as i said i'm on an

515
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:31,039
island to even

516
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:38,390
it's kind of hard to say you don't

517
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:40,720
believe i think beliefs of the curse and

518
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:42,799
all this right it's like

519
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,280
if you state that you believe in one

520
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,039
thing everything you hear then is

521
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:49,200
referenced against this belief that you

522
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:50,960
have

523
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:52,720
where and you know bad science starts

524
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,280
with conclusions and then looks for the

525
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:57,039
evidence and when we're younger we do

526
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,400
bad science the way we that we think

527
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:02,880
you know in a topsy-turvy way

528
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:04,159
but i think

529
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:05,840
not believe i think

530
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:08,640
that when you take this idea of track of

531
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,000
looking for evidence to support your

532
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,240
beliefs but just looking for evidence

533
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:14,480
for the evidence sake the frustrating

534
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:16,559
thing with it is there's no

535
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:19,600
this this this and this equals this

536
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:21,440
even the cleverest people on the planet

537
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:22,960
at the moment are this this and this

538
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,039
equals question mark

539
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:27,200
and it's really really difficult then to

540
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,559
even

541
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,240
that means there's no evidence for any

542
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,320
of it right that essentially means there

543
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:34,640
is no evidence otherwise

544
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:37,039
we'd all be communicating with the thing

545
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,960
or we'd be playing with it so

546
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:40,720
it takes a brave scientist or a brave

547
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:42,720
researcher or a brave person to say i'm

548
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:44,720
involved talking about this whole thing

549
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:45,440
and

550
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:47,679
up to my neck in it discussing it

551
00:21:56,590 --> 00:21:52,149
but is it

552
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,600
and i think but

553
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,280
anyway like from my point of view like

554
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:01,200
starting a podcast on it there's a whole

555
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:02,080
lot of ways you can go with a

556
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:05,200
conversation but to to be someone who's

557
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,559
really putting themselves out there in

558
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,240
terms of you know making a documentary

559
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,320
which you're you're about to be doing

560
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,000
that's that's putting your face out

561
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,159
there for the the topic and the

562
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,720
conversation and like i'll just put out

563
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:18,400
their skin walker ranch the series on

564
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:21,360
history i asked brandon fuegle you know

565
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,799
what happens if you've got three months

566
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:24,400
of filming and nothing happens on the

567
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:34,950
i struggled with this before our

568
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,400
interview thinking

569
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:38,720
what if andy asks me because i've made

570
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,830
anything about skinwalker wrench and i'd

571
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,280
rather go over i'd rather leave it and

572
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:47,919
get on my own document because history

573
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:52,549
right what i'm about to tell you about

574
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,600
my documentary project depends on

575
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:57,600
10 people stumping up a few quid to make

576
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:00,559
it work without a preconceived destiny

577
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,480
history channel have

578
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:04,640
advertisers that are spending

579
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:08,080
hundreds of millions of dollars a year

580
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:09,919
to make sure there's people watching and

581
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:12,720
rip it them for after the break and

582
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:15,120
things happen in mainstream tv that i i

583
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:16,400
would feel like i'm the guy who's

584
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,760
learned the magic tricks and he's aware

585
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:19,200
they're showing how all the tricks work

586
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:21,280
for me to say to you but i think it's

587
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:22,880
really important when people watch

588
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,400
mainstream tv even me on discovery

589
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:28,799
you're watching entertainment

590
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,440
if you're being entertained and

591
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,600
and i dare say

592
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:35,520
the skinwalker's got a future because

593
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,600
it's so popular just you know but you

594
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,760
know i think skin walkers like i it's

595
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,799
almost like

596
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,120
oak island the cursed folk island mark

597
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,000
to the format works you know

598
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:48,240
but the devil comes when you know as you

599
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:49,520
just said there

600
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,400
when nothing happens because you know

601
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,960
if if no let's not go this is me going

602
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,960
to start being scared

603
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,039
and it's just not fair it's just not on

604
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:01,279
because so many people like the thing

605
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,400
and it introduces people to the

606
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,400
phenomenon and it was ancient aliens

607
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:06,480
that got me involved and all this stuff

608
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,039
at the start because i just loved it

609
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:11,120
but what it does to the imagination you

610
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:12,240
know and

611
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,760
but i'm just not the guy that's going to

612
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,600
be on screen with a laser pointer and an

613
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:17,600
emf reader trying to tell people that

614
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,720
there's something going on around me

615
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,840
when there's not and i'm going to get

616
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:22,080
angry so let's stop okay

617
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,880
yeah

618
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,240
what i was going to come back to anyway

619
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,760
was let's talk about what you will be

620
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,440
doing so yeah

621
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:29,679
phenomenology which is the easiest world

622
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:31,919
in the world for me to say

623
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:34,000
is is a project that you touched on with

624
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,520
vinnie and i heard a little bit about it

625
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,720
but we're going to speak to people now

626
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,960
who haven't heard about it and

627
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:40,320
as part of this i want to just say to

628
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:41,840
the audience we're going to be

629
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:44,320
mentioning something for for dan israel

630
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:46,960
here and that does involve the podcast

631
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,919
and stuff as well so please uh bear with

632
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:51,600
us while we go over a really interesting

633
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:54,000
project but also how you yes you're

634
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:55,760
listening right now could potentially

635
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:58,000
help out as well so um

636
00:25:02,710 --> 00:24:59,760
how did this all come about let's talk

637
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,720
about phenomenology

638
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:04,400
phenomenology

639
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,120
is

640
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:07,360
um the name of a current or it's in

641
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,080
process our next documentary project

642
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,240
here in colombia

643
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:14,080
what we're going to do so let me tell

644
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,760
you why then let me answer your question

645
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,919
why this came about

646
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,840
when i moved here five years ago

647
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:21,919
everybody talked about colombia's ufo

648
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,880
hot spot a mountain called la pena du

649
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:25,919
waka

650
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,400
moon

651
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,080
this is a breast shaped mountain you can

652
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:34,559
see it out the back in here this brush i

653
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,919
don't know if you can see it yes there

654
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,159
see it this breast shaped mountain right

655
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,000
there

656
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:42,000
the top of it is known as the puerta

657
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:45,520
delos diocese the gateway of the gods

658
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:46,480
because

659
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,840
legends say the sun god buchika came

660
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:51,440
through to this time

661
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:52,559
[Music]

662
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:53,919
through the top of the mountain from a

663
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:56,480
place the time forgot

664
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,440
from a place the time for god

665
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,120
so in modern day mythology this is

666
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:02,880
columbia's ufo hot spots in an

667
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,440
interdimensional portal where things

668
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:07,279
come through

669
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:09,520
this is when it gets interesting this to

670
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,880
me is all just modern mythology and fun

671
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:14,000
until i come here to do about

672
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:17,760
researching and find it as early as 1608

673
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:18,880
a.d

674
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:21,679
the mountain here was known was baptized

675
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:24,240
by spanish colonists in a village called

676
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:28,159
tabio the baptist baptized it as

677
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:32,240
el suro el cerro con luz deisantes

678
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:35,919
the hell of the dancing whites

679
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,640
so as far as 400 years ago

680
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:41,520
lights unexplainable have been reported

681
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,720
on this hill

682
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,960
now from that time when it was called

683
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,799
the indigenous people called it the

684
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,640
doorway of the gods

685
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,320
the whole way through

686
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,520
the lights have been reported 400 years

687
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:56,080
and an entire local mythology is built

688
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,840
up around them

689
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:00,080
the lights are known to the indigenous

690
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,400
people of colombia as el mohan the mohan

691
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:06,960
are the spirit lights

692
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:09,039
there the the way that the indigenous

693
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,640
people interpret the lights of the

694
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:12,159
valley here

695
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:13,760
are that they are the

696
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:16,640
souls of dead shaman transitioning from

697
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:19,440
this world to the next and they do that

698
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:21,200
through the tip of this mountain where

699
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,000
the light phenomenon is seen

700
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,960
so myself and nadi we had a house

701
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:28,960
about a kilometer further back into the

702
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,679
valley we rented when we first came here

703
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,080
and we couldn't see this mountain we

704
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:35,760
took the dog out for a walk and we could

705
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,080
see the mountain

706
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:40,640
however we weren't seeing it 24 7 and

707
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,559
then three years ago four years ago

708
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,880
started this new business i fly

709
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:46,960
scientists and students to colombia now

710
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:48,799
we go i guide them into the andes into

711
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,200
the mountains looking for archaeology

712
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,840
for i'm into ancient botanics i'm into

713
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:56,080
traditional plant cures medicine so we

714
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:57,600
do lots of different projects out

715
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,399
filming and i began filming and forming

716
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:02,000
this really intimate relationship with

717
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:03,440
waika

718
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:04,480
so

719
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,960
my historical role i mapped out the

720
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,960
alignments of the local temples and the

721
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,120
shrines when everything orientates

722
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,200
around waika

723
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,520
and natty and i decided two years ago

724
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,840
our love for this location in the area

725
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:20,080
and all the bit is let's build a house

726
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,679
so we built this

727
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,440
where we are just now this

728
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,679
log house and it sits here and it looks

729
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:27,120
over waika

730
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,880
and lo and behold

731
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:31,039
the 14th of february last year i'm a

732
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,200
photographer i was out with my camera

733
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,840
and it was 1105 at night

734
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:37,760
and there it was on the top of the

735
00:28:45,549 --> 00:28:40,480
mountain the very peak of the tip

736
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:45,559
i watched this slow dim pulsing light i

737
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,360
absolutely turned me upside down boys i

738
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:51,120
was just

739
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:54,480
it was that moment where it was the

740
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:57,200
this is it that that where your the

741
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,480
blood runs out of your skin it's like

742
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:02,159
do you know how it felt this is seeing

743
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,440
the light

744
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,240
it felt like this it was like when you

745
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,919
turned the corner in high school and

746
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,279
you're on your own

747
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:11,200
and the bully was there

748
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:14,640
well your whole thing just freezes and i

749
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,279
saw this and i snapped it

750
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,799
because i was there with my camera

751
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,159
because i was

752
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:22,399
prepared for it we've heard about all

753
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:23,840
this we're out there so i've got my

754
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:26,399
camera out of film all day and night and

755
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,840
i got it and then

756
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,760
it just came out this blur

757
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:31,919
circular light but i snapped a second

758
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:34,559
later at a faster shutter speed

759
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:37,440
and photographed which is is bizarre it

760
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,240
looks to be some form of plasma

761
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,399
manifestation that i suppose you can

762
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,039
interpret interpret as a form a human

763
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,799
form however

764
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:48,880
over the next year over the next eight

765
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:49,919
months

766
00:29:56,029 --> 00:29:54,320
ending now i've photographed 19

767
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,039
different light

768
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:58,720
manifestations at different parts of the

769
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:01,760
mountain averaging about two a month

770
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:04,559
i've also recorded the temperatures it

771
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:05,360
was

772
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,840
the time

773
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,840
has been recorded around each

774
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:11,600
of the sightings

775
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:17,190
with a mountain that's

776
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,480
represents the highest mountain in

777
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:20,480
canton america in colombia

778
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:24,080
it's been associated with mysteries ufos

779
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,880
spirits for 400 years

780
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,480
wouldn't be uncommon to see people up

781
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,320
there hiking right

782
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:32,000
with torches

783
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,120
and this

784
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,200
whole skeptical part of me

785
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,200
wants to believe

786
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:39,120
that what i'm doing is photographing

787
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,159
hikers with torches

788
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,000
however

789
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:45,760
we've got two photographs which i'm

790
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,440
keeping for the documentary i'm not

791
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:49,120
going to publish them in europe columbia

792
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:50,399
show anyone

793
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:51,360
because

794
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,320
they are so bizarre it makes me question

795
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,039
everything and they're just

796
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,070
sometimes the milk is so good the cows

797
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,039
want it back and

798
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:08,480
so so so i that kind of threw me there

799
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,760
sorry where was i you were saying you've

800
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,960
got the two photographs that are

801
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,320
extremely bizarre i've got these two

802
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,720
photographs and we have a video from

803
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:16,159
somebody who lives

804
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,880
further up the valley and i've

805
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:21,200
the the lights are generally reported as

806
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,279
a green or blue iridescent flash

807
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:26,960
sometimes reported going from one

808
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,840
mountain top to the other however

809
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,760
natalia doss we call her she's filming

810
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:34,320
us with us with two natalies she filmed

811
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:36,159
something in the valley against a

812
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,600
mountain and it's

813
00:31:42,190 --> 00:31:39,519
i have it's we're going to present it in

814
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:42,200
the documentary and it's the most

815
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,000
bizarrely bright blue thing of light

816
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,880
pulsing and irritating out of this rock

817
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,720
and we're gonna we've got permission to

818
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:53,120
go to that exact location

819
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:55,120
to metal detect there to film their

820
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,159
ticks to watch it overnight

821
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,799
but here's the thing what we have here

822
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,039
in the valley is one of the most

823
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,840
highly charged magnetic mountain ranges

824
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,919
in the andes we have a

825
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,320
miguel my friend whose grandfather was a

826
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,080
geologist who wrote a report in the

827
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,399
geology of the mountains coming out here

828
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:16,240
to help us with the documentary research

829
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,279
because

830
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:19,519
it turns out that there's more gold and

831
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,159
copper and iron in this mountain here

832
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:25,039
than in any of the surrounding mountains

833
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:26,799
there's a complete under what

834
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,360
underground hydrology okay lots of

835
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:31,919
people think that the ovnies of the ufos

836
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,919
go into this mountain that they have a

837
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:36,240
complete complex an entire

838
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:37,840
space in there but what they're what

839
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:40,720
there is definitely in there are lagoons

840
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,600
so we're in in phenomenology coming back

841
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:46,080
to basics this is what i want to do

842
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:47,440
is

843
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,480
rather than

844
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,559
making ufo because i want that i'm

845
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,360
making this for ufo fans for for viewers

846
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,919
of ufos and uap i'm not trying to hide

847
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:57,840
away behind this you'd be thinking

848
00:33:03,269 --> 00:32:59,679
here's the reason why is

849
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:03,279
i want to make a ufo film for ufo people

850
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:06,799
that doesn't start with ufos are real

851
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,240
and how hard can i hit that home i want

852
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:11,760
to start with

853
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,519
here is a life phenomenon which is

854
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:18,240
now perceived as ufos

855
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,679
what might

856
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:22,000
that phenomenon be

857
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,549
like my sort of hero's handbag doesn't

858
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,480
have lazar and ella's underwent i've got

859
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,120
a hydrologist and a geologist i've got a

860
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:35,519
metro a metrologist and we've got a

861
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:38,799
museologist and we've got this call out

862
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,000
now which is where we're going to start

863
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:42,399
to talk to dan is i think to have all of

864
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,799
our ologists in place to review the

865
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:46,720
footage we've got

866
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,559
the main drive in the project is to try

867
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,880
and put you what i call uap controls in

868
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,440
place where we're going to do this

869
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:56,159
mecquest is a hundred percent right to

870
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:57,519
say

871
00:34:04,630 --> 00:33:58,559
the the

872
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,640
independent pieces of evidence from two

873
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,039
electronic devices or monitoring

874
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:09,520
stations we've got two

875
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,399
amazing 100 year old traditional

876
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,480
colombian mansions we've got the mansion

877
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,240
and we've got our new house

878
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:18,639
two different views off the mountain

879
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:21,679
separated by 43 degrees

880
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,879
what we want to do is put four policemen

881
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,480
up there one night with a range of

882
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,639
torches we want the policemen to walk

883
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,720
down all of the available paths while

884
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,720
the team are using thermal cameras and

885
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:34,800
filming this then we're going to be able

886
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:37,200
to reference all other future and

887
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:39,040
current that we've got light phenomena

888
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:42,320
against this control map

889
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,240
but at the same time this week is the

890
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:48,879
is the week one year later from when i

891
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:51,599
filmed this yeah a year ago three times

892
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:52,960
in the first week and this is what's

893
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,670
if the skeptic community is right and

894
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,760
that this is climatological and it's a

895
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:00,960
phenomenon

896
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:05,520
lights that's reported in chile which is

897
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,640
a corona light you know it's not unusual

898
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,400
there are several types of lighting

899
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,000
effects that can happen on mountains

900
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:14,160
it's just nobody's proven that this is

901
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:15,520
what's here you know no one's

902
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,119
photographed it or well there's

903
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:18,960
thousands of anecdote live witnesses no

904
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:21,680
one's actually captured on film

905
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:22,480
so

906
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,599
um

907
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:25,200
we've got the ologists who are all going

908
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,480
to come out here and help put these

909
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,400
controls in place but

910
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,880
more importantly to me as a storyteller

911
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:32,160
filmmaker is

912
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:33,040
is

913
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,320
how people

914
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,720
think and approach these types of

915
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,400
subjects so we've designed the

916
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:40,079
documentary that we've got four people

917
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,599
that are heroes they're drone piles

918
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,440
we've got two we've got

919
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:45,440
walter who's a

920
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:49,200
remote sensing scientist in america so a

921
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,079
drone and an optical guy then we've got

922
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,640
john adams who's an ex-royal engineer

923
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,640
he's here doing safety and stuff but the

924
00:36:02,390 --> 00:35:58,880
thing is we've got we want

925
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:02,400
five or six members of the public you

926
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,359
just have a full-on love of ufos

927
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:07,920
i full-on love of being skeptic

928
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,720
uh

929
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,480
absolute determined belief that these

930
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,240
are ghosts and it's nothing to do with

931
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,760
the minus of what they are these are

932
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:15,040
spirits and there's nothing to do with

933
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,400
ufos i want to make a film where

934
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,359
each day we go and visit a reported

935
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,000
sighting location where we know either i

936
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:26,160
have photographed lights or someone else

937
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:27,440
has shown us a video where there's light

938
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,760
so we go to a site

939
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,760
gather evidence have a look discuss the

940
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,760
site what might be there that's created

941
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,280
this effect

942
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,880
and then in the afternoon we go back and

943
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,160
film what we're called we're just going

944
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:40,160
to call them roundtable debate discuss

945
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:41,680
and debunk sessions where we're going to

946
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,040
hear

947
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,920
everybody's interpretation of this same

948
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:47,520
thing and what i want to try and then

949
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,160
put out to the ufo community is

950
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,480
if you're banging a table today saying i

951
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:54,960
know this is ufo i know this has played

952
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,640
ian i know this is inter-dimensional and

953
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,960
you need to just stop

954
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,960
because it's you're the only person that

955
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:05,119
thinks that every human you'll meet in

956
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,800
the ufo community in this world is

957
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:08,240
different interpretation of what's going

958
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:09,839
on and that's what i want the film to

959
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:10,720
show

960
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,240
how it's a personalized thing

961
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,400
how it can be altered in a group setting

962
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,640
i want to show that too by

963
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,079
in different i'm not going to play some

964
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:22,480
crazy james bond baddie but i am going

965
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:23,920
to experiment with i've got a group of

966
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:26,160
12 ufologists in my room and people in

967
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:27,680
this field

968
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,359
um and we've got

969
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:31,200
local visitors people we're going to try

970
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:33,920
and get this girl maria alvarez the the

971
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:36,960
captain however we have other locals who

972
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,200
have the most mind

973
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,680
stimulating photographs and experiences

974
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,160
of this um light phenomenon however i'm

975
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,720
going to tell you as wonderfully as if i

976
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,880
go over to the shop which

977
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,280
god willing dan you'll be in my shop we

978
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,079
go to the shop and i ask the girl the

979
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,240
lady in shop have you seen the lights

980
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,720
recently she goes like this

981
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,560
she quickly does the cross and she says

982
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:02,079
santa thomas

983
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,240
she thinks it's the soul of saint thomas

984
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,480
and they see it all the time

985
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,119
and then we've got julio who does the

986
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:11,680
stay in the gardens and stuff

987
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:14,880
and he immediately is like this is so

988
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:17,680
funny he'll go nah it was too fast for a

989
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:20,720
saint it had to be a ufo you know what i

990
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,440
mean it's like everybody has their own

991
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:25,040
determined thing and that was what won't

992
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:26,800
show through the film

993
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,680
but

994
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:30,000
i do have photographs and films that i

995
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:33,760
believe represent the first time genuine

996
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,640
light phenomenon in the air uap have

997
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,960
been filmed and they're sharp we've got

998
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:40,960
sharp films and we do publish a lot in

999
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,440
uap columbia but this

1000
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,880
i've got this real drive to try and

1001
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,480
photograph it again because

1002
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,880
if it's climatological

1003
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,640
it's going to happen there at the same

1004
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,240
time of the year the change of the

1005
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,320
seasons now this is the thing i

1006
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,320
photographed these lights three times in

1007
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,800
february when the season's changing from

1008
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:00,560
hot to wet so there's a lot of

1009
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:03,040
geological thermal activity

1010
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:05,200
tabia the little town has thermals there

1011
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:06,480
you can go

1012
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,920
so there's lots of stuff going on here

1013
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,760
but i've got to say this this is where

1014
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,680
it's where i wanted where i find it

1015
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:15,359
fascinating

1016
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,040
it's a light phenomenon is all we can

1017
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,520
say and it's been reported for 400 years

1018
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:22,079
it's a light phenomenon reported for 400

1019
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:23,040
years

1020
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:24,320
but

1021
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,960
i don't think we can separate

1022
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:28,640
the light phenomenon on the mountain

1023
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:29,920
here from

1024
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,640
the tic tac wit the tic tac sighting

1025
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,400
last year going around this mountain

1026
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:36,720
from the air force captain

1027
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,200
and then these cases of the desks and

1028
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:41,200
project blue boot carry on these things

1029
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:42,640
that have been reported here i think

1030
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:43,599
they're

1031
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,520
quite possibly all part of one thing

1032
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:49,599
but when that one thing is seen from

1033
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:50,880
different perspectives and from

1034
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:53,359
different places that that one thing

1035
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:54,880
takes on a different appearance because

1036
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,839
i can show you two photographs from one

1037
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,280
from march and you can look at it and go

1038
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:02,000
my goodness that is a silver disc

1039
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,280
look it's even got

1040
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,119
the shape of the ufo

1041
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:07,680
but then i can photograph it next month

1042
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:09,200
and

1043
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,720
it quite clearly appears to be a human

1044
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:14,560
form the way that that light's moving

1045
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:16,000
however it's moving however i've

1046
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:17,359
captured it

1047
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:18,480
so it

1048
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:24,069
i think it might represent what

1049
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:26,000
everyone's talking about this the

1050
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:27,920
phenomenon i don't like the phenomenon i

1051
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,880
think it's phenomenal plural many but

1052
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:34,400
i think everybody's seeing the same

1053
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:36,319
thing so what i want to do is put 12 or

1054
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:37,440
10 different

1055
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:39,839
sets of eyeballs and mindsets and belief

1056
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,560
systems and against this whole thing

1057
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,480
here because we've got something to play

1058
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,800
with i don't have to go out with ems no

1059
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,200
one's going to hold an emf

1060
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:51,520
if i go past my fridge with an emf it's

1061
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,880
going to give me a

1062
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,640
definitely a spirit

1063
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:56,480
and if i take a laser pointer out if i

1064
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:57,920
take the laser point right let's try and

1065
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,960
shoot at things here we're going to have

1066
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,400
the colombian air force come around and

1067
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:02,240
arrest us you can't shoot laser pointers

1068
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,760
at planes

1069
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,200
but and we don't need to do that to

1070
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,720
create false drama and here's a really

1071
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:08,160
cool thing and i've got to thank you for

1072
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,319
this for a shout out let dan talk is

1073
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:12,560
this

1074
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,839
i asked natty last week after listening

1075
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:17,599
to you i said

1076
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:20,000
do you think is possible for me to make

1077
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,200
a documentary without any music

1078
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:25,839
you know where i'm going here

1079
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,640
yeah and she said why and i said because

1080
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,640
because i says one of the biggest ufo

1081
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:32,480
podcasters in the world is going to hate

1082
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,200
it and it's really problematic because i

1083
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:37,520
like my bombastic music takari's story

1084
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,520
but i do believe for the first time

1085
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,040
i've got a story here that's going to be

1086
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,960
so rich with characters you should see

1087
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,640
some of the people are coming they've

1088
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:46,400
got so much to say

1089
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:48,079
as well they're balanced a lot of time

1090
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,359
to listen to we don't have any

1091
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,760
narcissist it's been well chosen

1092
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,280
but it's um

1093
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:55,920
aha i was gonna say so you you hate

1094
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,240
music that you hate music andy you think

1095
00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:00,560
it is a massive distraction and i

1096
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:02,240
totally agree i think it's there to

1097
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,359
support weak narratives do you agree

1098
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:06,960
when it's when it's there for the

1099
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:11,040
entirety of the production um

1100
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,119
yeah i've never really seen that before

1101
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,200
in anything myself

1102
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:17,599
yeah and having breakouts to go into

1103
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,920
things like conspiracies and all that we

1104
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,680
won't we don't need it and

1105
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,760
i i you know i won't be using sort of

1106
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:25,680
intros into the episodes going here's

1107
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:29,440
the ufo that was seen in 1959 this is

1108
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,319
the phenomenon in the tabio valley that

1109
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:34,160
everybody's plays with here and has

1110
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:36,160
reported for 400 years that we've got

1111
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:37,760
film and photograph

1112
00:42:42,030 --> 00:42:39,520
and we're just taking this sweet end

1113
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:42,040
like we've got a

1114
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,920
1500 ml astronomical lens like walter's

1115
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:47,680
taking out i've never seen it's like a i

1116
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,319
don't know how it's like an oil barrel

1117
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,480
we've got thermal cameras we've got like

1118
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,640
30 or 40 grams worth of optical

1119
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,800
visualization equipment all tucked away

1120
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:58,560
get used for that week

1121
00:43:02,069 --> 00:43:01,040
so it's a really really big

1122
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,079
effort

1123
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,000
in by all the people that are coming you

1124
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,079
know this is a self-produced indie

1125
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,920
documentary we're not sure where we're

1126
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,200
gonna even

1127
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:11,119
lay this whether we're gonna try to sell

1128
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,560
it where we're going to put it on

1129
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,800
youtube yet but the point is

1130
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:16,720
dan you said it last night sir in your

1131
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:19,200
22 minute podcasting worship before it

1132
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,040
sir is this

1133
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:22,960
action now

1134
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,800
how would we let this go past us when

1135
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,800
the world's talking about uep and we're

1136
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,440
photographing bizarre light phenomenon

1137
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,359
so we're we're right there in that front

1138
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,200
line of taking action and while it's not

1139
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,680
directly related to

1140
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:39,839
the tic tacs and the nimitz incident or

1141
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:42,720
rendal shim or roswell or ariel in

1142
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,319
africa it's not classic ufography ufo

1143
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,400
ufology

1144
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,640
but what it is is it's getting out there

1145
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,880
having fun with a bunch of people are

1146
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,119
all capable of adding

1147
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,960
just maybe taking this a step forward

1148
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:58,319
because i think between 12 of us will be

1149
00:44:03,349 --> 00:43:59,839
able to put

1150
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,359
a shape around this whole thing

1151
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:06,160
it's really important work um you know

1152
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,359
you mentioned already but yesterday i

1153
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,839
did i went when biden signed it

1154
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:12,240
it's the starting gun for this kind of

1155
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,800
work to be done you know these mysteries

1156
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:16,720
are out there whether it's um hess

1157
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,640
darling valley whether it's you know the

1158
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,480
the dancing lights of tabi or whether

1159
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,640
we're looking at the londondale lights

1160
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,319
these phenomena you know you can go on

1161
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:26,000
youtube and find so many documentaries

1162
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,960
about them

1163
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:28,640
but they're just documentaries about

1164
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:30,160
mysteries they never try and you know

1165
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,000
flip that guess who face down on the

1166
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,160
board and it's an opportunity to

1167
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,400
actually do that with a phenomena and at

1168
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,319
least figure out you know on the balance

1169
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,319
probability is that prosaic is it worth

1170
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:42,400
looking at more or is it you know did we

1171
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:44,560
see a few observables there i i think it

1172
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,000
would be very interesting to throw so

1173
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,160
many different beliefs at that

1174
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:50,880
i should i should to dan i i i totally

1175
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:53,280
agree with you i should say i think

1176
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,880
maybe me taking all the credit for this

1177
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,880
is wrong this is the this is the thing

1178
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:58,079
now

1179
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:59,599
ufracio

1180
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:00,560
de fo

1181
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:12,710
was the head of the geological society

1182
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:15,440
of colombia for 20 years

1183
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,319
alfresco died last march at coronavirus

1184
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,640
i spent new year's eve with him for

1185
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,400
three days with her family three years

1186
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,720
ago it was all frasier that told me

1187
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,640
about the phenomenon the head of the

1188
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,480
geological society it's him that turned

1189
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:31,119
me on and he was off the mind that he

1190
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:32,400
here's the thing

1191
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,680
this he's off the mind that it's ufos

1192
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,520
the head of the g he's got a book

1193
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,280
published on my desk there that talks

1194
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:41,839
about the indigenous sightings of ufos

1195
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:44,000
go back 400 years

1196
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:45,280
but

1197
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,280
he it was him that switched me on to and

1198
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,359
said that it's

1199
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,359
it's not just a film but he goes if we

1200
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:53,839
can if we can understand what the

1201
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:57,119
mysterious light of waka is he said

1202
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:00,560
conceive this ash he said what if it's a

1203
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,599
free electricity source for the world

1204
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,680
that we don't yet know

1205
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:07,920
what if that burning light that these

1206
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:10,160
lights that have been seen if above

1207
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:11,680
mountains

1208
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,480
could serve as a form of wi-fi

1209
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:16,160
communications

1210
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:18,880
so he said what stars his mind is

1211
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:21,040
whether it turned out to be otherworldly

1212
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:22,560
or not

1213
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:25,280
you can't be having coronas of energy

1214
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,200
burning above mountains and moving back

1215
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,000
and forth and show no interest you're

1216
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:32,880
implying that you're imaginatively dead

1217
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:34,880
you know

1218
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,359
yeah that's i i mean i agree with him

1219
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:39,280
completely it's sad to hear he passed

1220
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:41,040
away because it would be wonderful you

1221
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,800
know it sounds like he he takes

1222
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,560
the project you know

1223
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,560
then it was because it was the 14th of

1224
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,240
february last year i photographed it for

1225
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:50,240
the first time and that he and i were

1226
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:52,480
the friends of my wife's family we

1227
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,079
called them up and it was like we've got

1228
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,240
a photograph of the light not only that

1229
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,480
but we've got two more packet

1230
00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:00,720
and he was in hospital and pulmonary and

1231
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,839
gum

1232
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:03,599
two weeks later

1233
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,319
so he never saw the alfreso never saw my

1234
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,560
picture of the light after

1235
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:11,119
a lifetime of geology so what alfresco

1236
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,480
did do and i'm going to present this

1237
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:15,520
when everyone's here is this

1238
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:18,640
we've correlated you know how people

1239
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,119
skeptics will quite quickly

1240
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:23,040
write off a ufo sighting as ball

1241
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:24,640
lightning this is the word ball

1242
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,160
lightning

1243
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:28,800
well we've if you break it down there

1244
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:32,000
are 11 at least different types or forms

1245
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,599
of ball lightning that happen under

1246
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:35,680
different climatological circumstances

1247
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,480
so

1248
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:38,880
at our debate discussed we're going to

1249
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,920
have our geologists present two or three

1250
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,520
off the different kinds of ball

1251
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,000
lightning neopat and

1252
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,800
there's neuroparticle fields there's

1253
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,280
neuron clouds there's phosphine clouds

1254
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:54,240
there's all sorts of different phenomena

1255
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,559
there's psychological phenomena and

1256
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:58,160
there's a new one just now which we've

1257
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:59,760
got to consider this is a really cool

1258
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,359
one

1259
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,599
this is not ufology this is climatology

1260
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,960
but

1261
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,480
there's a japanese scientist at the

1262
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,400
moment who's working with

1263
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:11,119
plants on hills and what he's suspecting

1264
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,200
is that on highly charged magnetic

1265
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:17,520
mountains with a higher magnetic load

1266
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,079
is that when the air above is charged

1267
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:22,400
magnetically

1268
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:25,119
that there's that the root of the plant

1269
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,800
is serving as almost like an earth cable

1270
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,319
and what he's saying is there's an

1271
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,400
upward thrust in response to the

1272
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,559
downward strike of the electricity

1273
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:36,960
that's operating in on a kind of a

1274
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,040
quantum level if you like

1275
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:41,839
and this quarter quantum result of this

1276
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:44,720
upward thrust from the magnetism is a

1277
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,119
corona and he's claims he can repeat it

1278
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:49,839
in the lab now by taking a

1279
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:53,040
lump of mud roots and he can form light

1280
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,240
above it so

1281
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,720
we've got here's the thing ufologists

1282
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,720
aren't going to love that episode but

1283
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,559
isn't that interesting to go off out

1284
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,800
there as what we need to do is get up

1285
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,640
there and get tree samples and look and

1286
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,559
what's burnt what's not

1287
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,319
here's where i photograph the light most

1288
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,319
often three times in this area

1289
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:12,000
what state are the plants in it has

1290
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:13,359
there been a lot of lightning strikes

1291
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:16,000
here is there a hole with a shaft is

1292
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,440
that's what we need to do is go to these

1293
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:19,599
sites and just use our

1294
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,640
collective observing skills

1295
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:24,000
to

1296
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,800
look for evidence of the light and lo

1297
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,040
and behold who knows we might present

1298
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,520
the first evidence of ufos but i think

1299
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,839
that's going to come from looking for

1300
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,920
answers rather than

1301
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,119
you know a determined sort of

1302
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,680
pre-concluded set of evidence 100 and

1303
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:42,880
and i think

1304
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:45,359
you know uh avi loeb would agree with us

1305
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,400
as well you know that's where he's

1306
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,920
starting from it's not

1307
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,760
you i'm not doing this so i can get

1308
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:51,440
what's there

1309
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,880
i was gonna say i'm not doing this so i

1310
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,319
can get a job i said tonight you said

1311
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:56,319
can you believe it that weinstein two

1312
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,119
days ago weinstein's now joined the the

1313
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,880
whole movement and you've got loeb and

1314
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:02,720
everyone else

1315
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,520
and she said if you're as clever as they

1316
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:07,040
are so would you because they're about

1317
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,250
to make a lot of money

1318
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:11,119
[Laughter]

1319
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:13,280
now listen i think it's time to get to

1320
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,640
the point i was trying to make before as

1321
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,000
well because that's a wonderful

1322
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,720
encapsulation of phenomenology what it's

1323
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:20,160
about why you're doing it and that's

1324
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,599
that's great because there's so many

1325
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,040
documentaries have been made and

1326
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:25,440
produced over over the years and decades

1327
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,559
that

1328
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,640
i think i'm not a filmmaker or you know

1329
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,640
or anything like that but when i watch

1330
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:32,319
something i think you know why was that

1331
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:33,280
made

1332
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,720
it hasn't added anything to the

1333
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,800
conversation and the answer can be yes

1334
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,800
it can be no especially after james fox

1335
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:40,640
made the phenomenon i think it set a

1336
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:42,559
very high standard and high bar for

1337
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,800
documentaries to the point james fox's

1338
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,480
follow-up he said himself isn't going to

1339
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,400
be released in cinemas it's a very

1340
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,640
specific investigation on the case in

1341
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:53,119
virginia and brazil as you mentioned so

1342
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:54,800
i think the idea and what sounds like

1343
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,720
phenomenology is going to be

1344
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,559
is a really interesting

1345
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:00,960
deep dive and look into one particular

1346
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,440
area or case or phenomenon that could be

1347
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,280
related to so many other things as well

1348
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:07,200
and that's the sort of team you've put

1349
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,559
together to look at it from a lot of

1350
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,800
different angles we know vinnie adams

1351
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,559
from disclosure team is going to be

1352
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,640
involved um our friend and colleague

1353
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,960
from uap media as well obviously

1354
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,720
but there is the opportunity like you

1355
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,480
said for for normal folks to get

1356
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,559
involved and the details for that what

1357
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,240
we'll discuss as well briefly we'll

1358
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:26,880
stick the description in as well but um

1359
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:30,640
i uh you and obviously dan himself we'd

1360
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,599
like to send dan along now

1361
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:35,200
you've been really honest and said it's

1362
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,559
not free you know

1363
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,079
you've got to get from wherever you are

1364
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:40,240
to colombia and then obviously there's

1365
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,680
there's expenses when you're there as

1366
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:44,160
well and i'll say just for the minute

1367
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,680
that because i'd like to do it first for

1368
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:46,880
you

1369
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:49,839
then dan has managed to very late notice

1370
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:51,839
given this this kind of happens in six

1371
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:53,839
weeks from now managed to get about half

1372
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,599
the money already himself

1373
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:57,520
um that's that's quite an undertaking at

1374
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:59,440
this time of year um so what we're going

1375
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:01,839
to do is is put out for a little bit of

1376
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:03,839
crowdfunding that if people can

1377
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:05,920
contribute um we would like to try and

1378
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,960
raise

1379
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,400
whatever we can

1380
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,319
in the next kind of three to four weeks

1381
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:12,079
because that's uh the kind of time i

1382
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,119
have to be booking flights and

1383
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,599
everything else yeah to colombia to be

1384
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:17,680
involved in this project and again what

1385
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:20,400
i'd like to say on on my behalf is dan

1386
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:22,000
represents a lot of people people keep

1387
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:23,440
saying that on the podcast they

1388
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:25,200
appreciate his

1389
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,040
his honesty how he talks about the

1390
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,200
subject his passion for it and i suppose

1391
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,200
what i would say to anyone who can help

1392
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,280
and contribute whatever it might be

1393
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:35,280
whatever you can give or whether you you

1394
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:36,720
can't and you just want to get involved

1395
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,800
and watch the documentary dan would be

1396
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:41,200
representing someone like yourself out

1397
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:44,319
there with his experiences and also just

1398
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,760
he's going to be creating content for

1399
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:47,280
the podcast when he's out there as well

1400
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,800
so we'll get some stuff

1401
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:50,800
on location not to spoil what's going to

1402
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,480
be happening but you're going to get a

1403
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,720
pretty unique experience and take on on

1404
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,880
his whole experience as well

1405
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,160
yeah

1406
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:01,040
100 i i i mean

1407
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,800
it would be beautiful to be able to go

1408
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,720
and contribute to actually solving one

1409
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:06,960
of these mysteries and so yeah try and

1410
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:09,520
set an example of you know after i said

1411
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:11,839
do the work i want to go do the work you

1412
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:14,160
know so it will be amazing for people to

1413
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:16,319
enable me to do that like andy said i'm

1414
00:53:19,650 --> 00:53:19,119
a halfway there anyway um so fingers

1415
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,660
crossed

1416
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:21,040
[Music]

1417
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,319
i'm going to give a sh i've got to

1418
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,920
appeal as well to everybody listening to

1419
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:25,200
this i didn't know you were going to do

1420
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:26,640
this just now let's be honest andy you

1421
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:28,240
did not tell me you were going to do

1422
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,960
this

1423
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:30,720
i knew dan and i have been talking about

1424
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:34,640
him coming to colombia but can i think

1425
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,400
i'm going to broaden out from just you

1426
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,920
down and put you in as a twosome i don't

1427
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:39,359
think anybody who's listening to this

1428
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:40,880
show just now whatever they think of me

1429
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,359
and you andy would disagree that

1430
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:45,119
dan and vinnie

1431
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,839
together and a documentary investigating

1432
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:49,040
discussing

1433
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:51,200
too much red wine at night you know what

1434
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:53,760
i mean i think it would be great tv i

1435
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,839
think it would be

1436
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,520
great to have two people that are such

1437
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:00,240
great faces or public faces of the ufo

1438
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:02,960
community being here to cover

1439
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,520
and to speak to stream from here when

1440
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:07,760
we've got things going on and god

1441
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,520
willing we get a live site when

1442
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:11,920
everybody's here all action stations

1443
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,000
going it'll be amazing to have that

1444
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:16,720
streamed outwards by you guys

1445
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:19,520
see what's important dan is here you do

1446
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:20,640
represent

1447
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,680
like you speak to deliver to and you

1448
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:25,200
know when andy's interviewing people

1449
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:26,400
you're there and you're kind of the

1450
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:29,200
voice of the audience a lot i feel

1451
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,720
and sometimes in what you're not saying

1452
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,400
you represent a voice of the audience

1453
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,240
you're there you're the listener

1454
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:36,400
but i think

1455
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,119
you have to be able to

1456
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,280
confidently know you've at least been on

1457
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,920
one ufo uap investigation because what

1458
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:46,319
you learn from this in a week

1459
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,440
is just

1460
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:49,359
it changes your whole perspective on let

1461
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:51,040
me just this is going to sound silly but

1462
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:54,079
it's like it sticks in my head

1463
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,400
just being out there actively looking at

1464
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:58,640
a hilltop for 12 hours a day and being

1465
00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:00,000
on it and living with that breathing

1466
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:01,920
that you see and learn

1467
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,400
so much about the way nature works about

1468
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,720
the way the clouds move the way the

1469
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:08,960
trees and plants move with the change in

1470
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,839
days and times here's the thing natalie

1471
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,440
and i were on the balcony four months

1472
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,839
ago photographing waika and it was

1473
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,520
another one of those heart moments this

1474
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:19,200
is what happened

1475
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:22,400
i looked across to the garden next door

1476
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,440
i saw what looked to be red lights going

1477
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:28,079
like this directly up in front of me

1478
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,040
and i started freaking going oh look

1479
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,359
again this is what this is it we're all

1480
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:35,280
looking for this is the this is the time

1481
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,240
moment

1482
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:38,720
and she said what and i said look

1483
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,760
i said the ufo the desk is coming out

1484
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,440
from the garden it's over the hill it's

1485
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:45,599
between us and the mountain

1486
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:47,119
she stood didn't you shake her head she

1487
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:48,880
said it's a plane

1488
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,520
i said planes don't go straight up

1489
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,880
she said no it's

1490
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,720
really really far away and it's coming

1491
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:56,319
towards us i mean what are you talking

1492
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,680
about there

1493
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:59,599
my brain farted

1494
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:01,599
and i saw it for what it was and it was

1495
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:03,440
it wasn't going like that next door to

1496
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,480
me it was going like that a really long

1497
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:08,319
way away

1498
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,440
and see having experienced that if i was

1499
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:13,040
on my own my life would have changed i'd

1500
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,839
be well telling everybody i saw ufo

1501
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:17,760
based on an avianca flight leaving

1502
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:19,839
bogota airport

1503
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,400
but the going through these kind of

1504
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,400
things repeatedly for a week have been

1505
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,040
challenged and i think i saw that you

1506
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:29,280
saw that and looking at my videos and

1507
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,760
photographs that i've compiled here

1508
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:33,440
what i'd love to do is not be sneaky but

1509
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,799
i'd love to

1510
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,799
if i was to take dan into a room in the

1511
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,720
documentary and go down i'm not going to

1512
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:40,160
provoke in any way tell me what you

1513
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,119
think is on that photo and do that 12

1514
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:45,119
times to the 12 people we've got an

1515
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:46,880
amazing show coming together because

1516
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:48,799
it'll show you

1517
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,520
what's good how peop everybody everybody

1518
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:53,359
sees something differently and i think

1519
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,960
by seeing how that works we'll be in a

1520
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:57,119
closer place to going well then what

1521
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:59,119
commonalities are there what what do

1522
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,400
what does everybody see what did

1523
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:02,319
everyone agree with and you know so it's

1524
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:04,880
much about filming people's approach to

1525
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,359
phenomenology as it is about the actual

1526
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,680
lights itself it's about getting dan and

1527
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:11,760
vinnie in the room together with a drone

1528
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,000
pilot from the american military because

1529
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:16,160
while it's easy to talk out towards once

1530
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,640
a year for believers about this stuff

1531
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:20,079
might be a bit more difficult than

1532
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:22,319
talking with a drone pilot from the uso

1533
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,520
military who's going to be like now

1534
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:25,280
we've flying these things all over the

1535
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:27,200
nimitz incident that's it you want to

1536
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:28,640
get that i want to get that on film i

1537
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,079
want to see your reaction to being told

1538
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,880
that if that were to happen

1539
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,799
no it sounds it sounds really exciting

1540
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:36,799
and productive and just worthy of

1541
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:39,119
pouring a whole load of energy into so

1542
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:41,200
yeah fingers what do people have to do

1543
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,720
what do people have to do andy to get

1544
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,319
down here you reckon you're about

1545
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:46,319
halfway there dan about halfway there

1546
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:48,319
yeah i'd say

1547
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,319
i should say you know i know nobody in

1548
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,160
ufology likes anybody making any money

1549
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:54,319
from ufology pluralism was about to get

1550
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,599
dumped now he's going to charge for a

1551
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,040
book right

1552
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:59,200
yeah and and here's the thing you know

1553
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:01,359
how much we're charging here dan we

1554
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,960
aren't all making money here we're

1555
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:04,079
paying for

1556
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:06,799
a 100 year old mansion and for cleaners

1557
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:08,880
and cooks so we can all get

1558
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,720
fed and watered brilliantly when we're

1559
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:12,240
all making the film and we've got

1560
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,760
transport and then

1561
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,599
three months of editing after it so if

1562
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:17,680
you were to multiply what you're paying

1563
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:19,280
times six

1564
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:21,040
you know we're not it's not about the

1565
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,640
money this is about what i always say is

1566
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,480
this is season two

1567
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,319
the the guys that are coming are we're

1568
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,480
gonna make a film on the hope that we

1569
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:30,640
make something so magic and new and

1570
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,040
original that maybe season two will

1571
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:35,119
start making money who knows but we're

1572
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,880
certainly not

1573
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:38,640
hanging about waiting to do it because

1574
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,799
we don't have the funds that we're gonna

1575
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,880
all fund ourselves and i should say this

1576
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:44,400
to andy and dan you should both think

1577
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:47,440
about this if dan's gonna be

1578
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:50,240
maybe streaming or presenting or we can

1579
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:51,599
have them interview

1580
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,359
the people out here the witnesses do

1581
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,520
anything we want

1582
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,680
dan will become a co-producer in the

1583
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,920
documentary you know you're paying your

1584
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:01,520
way here but you will also become a

1585
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,280
co-producer in the documentary which

1586
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:05,680
means you get all the edits and you can

1587
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:07,599
go ah don't like the way you've made

1588
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:09,359
don't like the way this

1589
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:11,200
episode's coming out so there's you're

1590
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,880
being you're not just involved in a week

1591
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:14,240
in columbia

1592
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:15,839
for that amount of money you're looking

1593
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:17,920
for you're involved in it until it's

1594
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:20,400
airing and then what's up

1595
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,400
right and that's not just you know i

1596
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,240
mean obviously that's personally quite

1597
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:26,240
cool to be like you know i i helped

1598
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:29,119
produce ufo documentary but also

1599
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:31,520
that means that i mean i'm gonna have a

1600
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:32,799
high bar when we're looking at this

1601
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:35,680
stuff because it is an incredible thing

1602
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:38,799
if if they are ufos um

1603
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,520
and that will you know i expect there

1604
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:43,680
are other people to get that

1605
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:45,839
so it all helps contribute to just a

1606
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:48,400
higher bar for the whole documentary so

1607
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:50,240
i i just think if the community wants to

1608
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:51,119
see

1609
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:52,559
you know some some people from the

1610
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:54,400
community go and throw the best we got

1611
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:55,760
at this then

1612
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:57,839
this is this is our best bet you know it

1613
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,440
starts here

1614
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:01,280
yeah and if anybody else from your

1615
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:02,720
community if you've got some real

1616
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:04,480
hardcore followers of people you know

1617
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:06,400
you know

1618
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:08,319
they can go to should we you gonna put a

1619
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:09,760
link up there for where they can go for

1620
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:12,079
this it's all my history fuzz platform

1621
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:13,680
phenomenology and

1622
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:15,119
you know we are looking for public

1623
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:17,200
participants too i think we've got three

1624
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,880
books solid already but we've got

1625
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:20,880
another three and

1626
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:23,440
so far we've got a german

1627
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:25,599
we've got two americans we've got a

1628
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,920
scottish fella we've got dan we've got

1629
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:29,520
vinnie we should mention benny here i

1630
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:31,040
think it's great fun to have vinnie out

1631
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:32,559
here too yeah just

1632
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:34,640
you know i mean i had such a great time

1633
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:37,200
in london london that yeah he would make

1634
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:39,920
a fantastic travel buddy

1635
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,319
yeah i think so you know i started i

1636
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:44,480
think in the in this community if you

1637
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:47,280
call it the ufo i like i like the fact

1638
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:48,400
it's called the

1639
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,880
ufo community i often think

1640
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:52,960
a community is defined because the doors

1641
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:54,559
are open and everyone can come in and i

1642
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:56,559
think that's just the way it works i got

1643
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:58,480
in touch with i think a year ago before

1644
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:00,079
i had my operation

1645
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:02,640
i got in touch with dan and vinnie the

1646
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:05,760
three of you i know and now look what

1647
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:07,040
we're doing together you know what i

1648
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:09,440
mean it's quite something i've not been

1649
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:11,280
shot gunning myself out every platform

1650
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:12,640
and sundry but the three people i

1651
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:14,079
knocked on the door with there's great

1652
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,839
things happening with him then he's been

1653
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:17,520
really good since the start with uep

1654
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:20,240
colombia he was helping share stuff and

1655
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:21,839
he was involved in some of the research

1656
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:23,760
and these often he sightens up and

1657
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:26,160
pasquet cabargios and those things i was

1658
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,839
because i was coming finding all sorts

1659
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,359
of things i didn't have a clue with the

1660
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:31,920
men do you remember when you got first

1661
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,040
introduced to ufology when you first

1662
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:37,359
got addicted if you like and everything

1663
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,839
comes so quick and you find out about

1664
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:41,599
betty and barney hill the next thing is

1665
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,359
oh my god they are ill and you've got to

1666
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:45,359
go through a lot

1667
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:47,440
to really understand

1668
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:49,839
what stands up what doesn't what's what

1669
01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:51,440
what happened there i surprised everyone

1670
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,119
in uap media the other day by saying

1671
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:54,960
that i spent a lot of time on the

1672
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:57,599
platform gaia and pretty much i think

1673
01:02:02,309 --> 01:01:59,920
did you every single thing they have and

1674
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:02,319
that includes david wilcock or a good

1675
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,400
you know all those things but now it

1676
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:06,240
means that i have an informed opinion of

1677
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:08,880
those things you know it's not that i

1678
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:10,400
just kind of

1679
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:11,680
you know have a knee-jerk reaction to

1680
01:02:15,270 --> 01:02:13,599
david wilcock i fully know the story

1681
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,280
he's selling and how he speaks about

1682
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:17,280
things as if they're you know uh

1683
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:18,960
storyboards for films and i'm just like

1684
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,799
yeah i know your language and i i'm

1685
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:22,559
really experienced with it and you know

1686
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:23,440
i can

1687
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,720
see what you're doing but it's

1688
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:26,400
beneficial you know it wasn't a waste of

1689
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:27,760
time

1690
01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:30,000
i find i've got a real voyeuristic

1691
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:32,030
streak where i probably listen

1692
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:33,119
[Music]

1693
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:35,680
to more people i disagree with than that

1694
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:37,520
i agree with

1695
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:39,119
because i find

1696
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:40,079
people

1697
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:41,920
with even though i don't harbor many

1698
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:43,520
myself i see beliefs as the kind of

1699
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:45,200
thing that ties people up in life i like

1700
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:46,240
to

1701
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:48,240
avoid that if at all possible i i like

1702
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:49,760
the morals and the principles but i can

1703
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:51,760
function without this belief thing it

1704
01:02:55,829 --> 01:02:53,359
seems to start

1705
01:02:59,390 --> 01:02:55,839
but i love folk with beliefs i love folk

1706
01:03:01,990 --> 01:02:59,400
that are just hardcore bigfoot guys or

1707
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:02,000
interdimensional guys i love listening

1708
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:04,559
to someone ranting for two hours because

1709
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:06,880
it makes you it you see a reflection of

1710
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:08,480
yourself and you

1711
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:11,039
can compare yourself to how extreme

1712
01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:13,520
other people are and if you're listening

1713
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:15,039
in a world of listening to everybody

1714
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,720
that agreed with you be awful boring

1715
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:18,480
wouldn't it

1716
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:20,960
absolutely and listen as we get close to

1717
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:22,480
the end of our time here and i want to

1718
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:24,400
finish off on the quick fire just to

1719
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:25,839
mention there will be a link in the

1720
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:28,960
description for dan's crowdfunding and

1721
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:30,400
we're just going to work out exactly

1722
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:32,240
what it's going to be

1723
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:34,799
in terms of a website um so that's

1724
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:36,000
that's great we'll get that on there

1725
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:37,920
it'll be on social media it's one of

1726
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:39,599
those things it's if we can make it

1727
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,200
happen it would be fantastic a great

1728
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:43,200
opportunity for dan but also for the

1729
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:45,200
podcast as well um i don't know i asked

1730
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:47,359
you obviously very passionately about it

1731
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:48,960
yeah i think i should quickly save the

1732
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:50,400
on the financial side of things if

1733
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:51,839
you're asking the public to pay for

1734
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:54,480
dinner i want to be straight up and say

1735
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:56,000
it now is

1736
01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:57,599
we already

1737
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:59,599
took every single thing away from that

1738
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:01,440
we've got down to how much it's going to

1739
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:03,039
cost them for them to eat his oranges at

1740
01:04:05,589 --> 01:04:04,720
breakfast you know we've already put in

1741
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:05,599
our

1742
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:08,400
30 or 20 whatever might have come off

1743
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:10,000
the end of if there was anything you

1744
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:11,359
know

1745
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:12,960
yeah we want to get down here i don't

1746
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:14,400
know if anybody can it's not an all

1747
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:15,920
inclusive holiday for a week to divide

1748
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:17,440
you know no it's a walking it's a

1749
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,760
working holiday i just happen to love

1750
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,920
the job that i'm kind of happy to have

1751
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:24,000
now so yeah

1752
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:25,440
you just happen to be swinging in

1753
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:27,440
hammocks for breakfast which expand you

1754
01:04:31,510 --> 01:04:29,680
don't give you cool

1755
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:31,520
we'll make sure he's kept busy um but

1756
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:33,760
listen phenomenology you will find the

1757
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:35,680
details for it within the description of

1758
01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:36,640
this

1759
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,559
episode you will make sure it's all over

1760
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:40,480
online as well and

1761
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:42,240
hopefully as and when dan goes out

1762
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:43,920
you'll be hearing updates from it vinnie

1763
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:45,280
will be putting updates out on his

1764
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:47,200
channel no doubt as well and as and when

1765
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:49,119
the time comes we'll have ash back on to

1766
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:51,200
discuss updates how it went how it's

1767
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:52,960
going hopefully an update of how it's

1768
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:55,200
going at the time as well from ash and

1769
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:57,119
then once it's made we can get them back

1770
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:58,880
on to it to talk about it

1771
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,400
i'd love to do something with the end of

1772
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:02,400
january before dan comes out and what i

1773
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:03,920
would like to do then is announce the

1774
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:06,240
final 10 12 man team

1775
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:08,559
yeah that would be great yeah that'd be

1776
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:10,720
great because the will be streaming when

1777
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:11,680
we're doing it you know we want the

1778
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:13,119
public to join in when we're doing the

1779
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:15,280
thing and be part of it really we'll

1780
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:17,280
discuss how to make that work best but

1781
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:18,480
you're saying there about we wouldn't

1782
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:20,079
want to divulge location and stuff

1783
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:21,359
that's not going to be a problem we're

1784
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:24,240
going to set sites each day so

1785
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:25,839
our social stuff and hanging about the

1786
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:27,680
mansion and mucking about with nights

1787
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:29,440
and stuff can all be shared with the

1788
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:31,119
world at large i think it's great if we

1789
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:32,240
do that

1790
01:05:36,309 --> 01:05:34,319
listen ash let's finish up on the quick

1791
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:36,319
fire round a few things we've not

1792
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:38,079
managed to touch on within the body of

1793
01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:39,680
the interview but just to get your

1794
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:41,839
thoughts on you listen to the podcast so

1795
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:43,440
either a few words of your sentences or

1796
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:44,880
whatever you want to see

1797
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:47,359
so the first one would be the james webb

1798
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:48,960
telescope that's just gone up what's

1799
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:56,230
i'm a photographer filmmaker so i know

1800
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:59,119
that even luebbe's idea including james

1801
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:00,799
webb telescope of

1802
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:03,359
shooting and fire of trying to

1803
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:07,839
snap or trap or capture data from space

1804
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:09,920
will only ever be

1805
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:12,799
such a fine needle thin hair through the

1806
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:15,440
size of the universe we're in

1807
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:18,559
that i don't think any

1808
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:19,680
i don't think it's going to come from

1809
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:21,680
there

1810
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:22,880
you think though we're going to get some

1811
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:24,400
pretty cool images aren't we we might

1812
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:27,039
not be getting ufos and whatnot goodness

1813
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:29,119
we're going to see the origins of the

1814
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:30,960
universe we will see the chemical makeup

1815
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:32,799
of the universe sorry i thought if you

1816
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:34,240
were asking me if we're gonna see little

1817
01:06:38,230 --> 01:06:35,920
green fellas no you know what i've got

1818
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:38,240
that personal obviously i would love us

1819
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:39,280
to see

1820
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:40,799
let's be realistic the chemical

1821
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:42,559
composition of some planet we've never

1822
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:45,119
seen before that indicates or we see a

1823
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:47,839
planet lit up at night with you know

1824
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:49,839
um lights that have been turned on and

1825
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:52,079
off that would be incredible

1826
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:53,760
you know light bulbs it wasn't until

1827
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:55,359
they started putting satellites up that

1828
01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:58,240
they realized that corn glows and now

1829
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:59,680
it's used to track all sorts of things

1830
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:01,599
because different kinds of corn glow in

1831
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:03,520
different ranges in the infrared light

1832
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,200
so with james webb being like mid to

1833
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:07,440
long infrared like they they they could

1834
01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:08,880
look over a planet and see planet life

1835
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:10,720
living and breathe in on that through

1836
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:12,480
the light that it's given off which is

1837
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:15,200
just incredible to think about yeah i

1838
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:17,520
think as a as i am

1839
01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:19,520
taking away the fact as a telescope as a

1840
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:22,000
as a mark of human ingenuity and

1841
01:07:26,789 --> 01:07:24,559
achievement engineering-wise i mean

1842
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:26,799
if you consider that

1843
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:29,039
60 you know how old are airplanes when

1844
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:30,400
did we get our first airplanes that

1845
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:31,760
we're getting there's a mile into the

1846
01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:33,280
sky and now we're shooting into the

1847
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:34,960
cosmic origins

1848
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:37,039
beyond life and death and time it's

1849
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:38,799
really

1850
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:41,359
proud to be part of the civilized the

1851
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:42,720
time that we're part of a lot of people

1852
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:44,799
are down and what we do and what we are

1853
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:45,760
but

1854
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:47,280
yeah we're pretty good with our work as

1855
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,400
a team

1856
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:50,160
you touched on the next one slightly and

1857
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:52,400
what you talked about in terms of that

1858
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:54,000
needle on top of the mountain and what

1859
01:07:58,230 --> 01:07:55,359
may or may not be coming through are

1860
01:08:00,549 --> 01:07:58,240
from different times what's your opinion

1861
01:08:02,309 --> 01:08:00,559
on on time travelers as being part of

1862
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,319
this phenomenon or the idea we have

1863
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:04,160
something coming from different

1864
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:09,349
the mountain is known as the puerto

1865
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:11,839
deliste de los diosis

1866
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:13,520
it's been associated with

1867
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:15,280
inter-dimensional time travel since

1868
01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:16,960
bouchika the god was said to have come

1869
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:18,319
here

1870
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:19,839
personally you ask me personally

1871
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:22,159
speaking is this i need to if someone

1872
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,880
asks me about time travel i need to be a

1873
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:26,640
bit of a dick and immediately ask them

1874
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:27,600
back

1875
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:29,920
which time do you talk about this is

1876
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:31,120
what i mean

1877
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:32,239
so there's

1878
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:34,400
objective time

1879
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:37,600
which is the way solar time appears to

1880
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,839
move and how we appear to move through

1881
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:41,759
it which is a sort of our

1882
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:43,279
forward yeah

1883
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:44,480
but then there's

1884
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:47,040
subjective time was which is how we

1885
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:48,719
perceive time

1886
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:50,960
moving through objective time

1887
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:53,679
whereby if i go and do 10 grams of magic

1888
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:56,080
mushrooms my experience of time is going

1889
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:57,359
to be a lot

1890
01:09:01,110 --> 01:09:00,400
different to the guy who hasn't right so

1891
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:01,120
we

1892
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:05,040
confuse time subjectively within

1893
01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:07,040
so so we have to sort all that out

1894
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:08,319
before i tell you what i think about

1895
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:09,440
time travel

1896
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:11,920
and that's boring i'll be honest dude i

1897
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:13,920
just think people skip too quick to this

1898
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:16,799
idea of time travel yes or no where i

1899
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:17,839
think

1900
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:22,239
ourselves subjectively within our own

1901
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:24,400
conscious states and my goodness you do

1902
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:25,279
because

1903
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:26,560
you know what it's like yourself if you

1904
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:28,239
get the wednesday morning phone call and

1905
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:30,159
somebody loved one's died or something

1906
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:32,880
else time can slow down

1907
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:36,000
so you can hear spiders crawl right

1908
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:37,199
and then

1909
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:39,120
if you're super steaming you're younger

1910
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:40,560
you're a nightclub you're dancing the

1911
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,480
right way eight hours is gone and what

1912
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:44,880
seems like a heartbeat

1913
01:09:47,910 --> 01:09:46,000
so

1914
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:47,920
back to your original question do i

1915
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:49,279
think

1916
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:50,880
that the mountain is related in some way

1917
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:52,400
to time let me tell you about william

1918
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:54,239
chavez he's a systems engineer in

1919
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:57,679
colombia who in 1998 william chavez with

1920
01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:59,040
those searching

1921
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:01,040
climbed to the top of waika

1922
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:03,360
11 o'clock at night

1923
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:05,520
he had an experience and he came back

1924
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:07,120
down the hill and the next day told this

1925
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:09,679
to the tabio police this is on record in

1926
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:11,920
the tavio police station he said he was

1927
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:14,880
approached by a large blue light the

1928
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:17,679
size of him it touched a tree

1929
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:19,920
the light turned to orange he stepped

1930
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:21,520
inside the light

1931
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:23,760
this is william chavis not me

1932
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:25,760
he said he experienced a race of tall

1933
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:29,360
blonde nordic interdimensional beings

1934
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:31,679
like the classic ufology case he said it

1935
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:33,199
gave him

1936
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:34,880
warnings about the way we were treating

1937
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:36,719
the mountain and that the mother goddess

1938
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:38,320
chi and bochika weren't happy and that

1939
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,640
the phenomenon was enraged and all this

1940
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:42,960
stuff related to ufology

1941
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:45,760
and this is why i just love this so

1942
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:47,840
while william chavis was written off as

1943
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:49,760
a lunatic

1944
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:52,800
that week in ten ho the other village

1945
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:54,560
four miles down the valley

1946
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:56,080
13 people

1947
01:11:02,310 --> 01:10:59,120
13 individual hikers individually and in

1948
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:02,320
groups reported having interacted with

1949
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:04,480
large blue lights interdimensional

1950
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:05,840
beings

1951
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:07,199
isn't that great

1952
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:08,320
so

1953
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:10,960
what on earth are people experiencing

1954
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:14,000
and seeing that gives them the memory

1955
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:17,280
the ex the impression the experience or

1956
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:18,400
the

1957
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:20,080
illusion i don't know

1958
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:20,800
of

1959
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:22,880
having interacted with interdimensional

1960
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:24,800
beings you know it's really particular

1961
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:26,400
to this mountain so

1962
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:28,239
while i get all confused in this thing

1963
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,800
about subjective and objective time most

1964
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:32,480
people around me here are quite happy to

1965
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:35,199
believe and say that waca is a doorway

1966
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:37,120
to another dimension called las puerta

1967
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:40,159
de los theos the doorway of the gods and

1968
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,239
you know you see those lights flashing

1969
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:44,719
up there and doing their stuff

1970
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:46,719
really makes you think i'll be honest

1971
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:48,800
i'm a storyteller i'm a scottish guy so

1972
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:50,960
i'm susceptible to these things and it

1973
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:52,719
takes a lot when you're seeing this

1974
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:55,040
going on to not be just going down a

1975
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:56,400
health or skelter but i think that's

1976
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,199
what's

1977
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,040
good is i'm trying to produce a film and

1978
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,360
direct a film if i was telling you here

1979
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:03,440
that yeah these are interdimensional and

1980
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:05,360
they come from pleiades and they're uh

1981
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:07,040
it's not gonna be such a good film i

1982
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,480
think i need to be kind of just where i

1983
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,239
am with that just now and

1984
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,640
not saying yes and knows

1985
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:14,719
time travel it's beyond me however i do

1986
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:16,719
know that subjectively i travel the time

1987
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:19,280
every time i dream out the window

1988
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:21,040
okay or nothing i like the answer a lot

1989
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:23,360
of consciousness you touched on there um

1990
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:25,280
so i touched on it but i do i don't i

1991
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:26,480
don't a lot of folk go into

1992
01:12:33,189 --> 01:12:32,149
i do i know quite a lot here's the funny

1993
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:33,199
thing

1994
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,960
a lot of people say when the big

1995
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,960
consciousness comes up they say well

1996
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:38,400
don't know so much about that i don't

1997
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:40,159
really want to say but i do i know quite

1998
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:42,000
a lot i've read lots about consciousness

1999
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:44,560
and what it is and where it is

2000
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:46,960
and you know to me consciousness is

2001
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:49,920
the amalgamation of the five senses we

2002
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:51,679
have five senses

2003
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:53,840
and with all those data streams coming

2004
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:55,920
in we have a good old kind of

2005
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,080
approximation as to where we are within

2006
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:00,480
the world that we moved through

2007
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:03,280
and the amalgamation of that i believe

2008
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:05,280
no i believe it's kind of in science is

2009
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:07,920
that that is consciousness

2010
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,440
and that that thing is

2011
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:11,280
represented psychologically by all the

2012
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:13,440
dreams the imagination the act your

2013
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:15,679
world of ideas the non-material

2014
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:18,000
non-tangible things people talk about be

2015
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:19,679
conscious but

2016
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,280
you know the reason you can tell that

2017
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:23,760
consciousness is the amalgamation of

2018
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:25,440
five senses and not much more is because

2019
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,400
you can

2020
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:28,640
singe a part of someone's brain and make

2021
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:30,800
them smell the color pink

2022
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:32,800
you know you can do all sorts of

2023
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:35,280
experiments now to show that by altering

2024
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:37,040
the five senses you alter the entire

2025
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:38,880
conscious experience

2026
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,960
anyway of consciousness back onto your

2027
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,400
shirts sorry about it oh interesting

2028
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:44,320
like you could almost have we could do

2029
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:45,679
this again and have a whole show about

2030
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:47,120
consciousness right there's so much to

2031
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:49,440
do i'd love to

2032
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:51,280
dan what we must do when you're here is

2033
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,880
meet indigenous cultures i want to take

2034
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:54,719
you to an indigenous settlement and meet

2035
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:55,840
let you meet people that have been in

2036
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:57,760
these territories for the last

2037
01:14:01,910 --> 01:13:59,280
9 000 years

2038
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:01,920
and when you see how their consciousness

2039
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:03,760
operates and maybe indulge maybe do some

2040
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:05,440
rapping which is like

2041
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:07,280
they do this pure tobacco powder they

2042
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:09,679
blow it up your nose like a snuff you

2043
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:12,480
become so clear it's like you've never

2044
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:15,280
had an enemy everything becomes

2045
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,960
different consciously so i'd love to

2046
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:18,480
play with the consciousness out here and

2047
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,239
maybe go meet some indigenous smoker do

2048
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,560
a ceremony clearing ceremony i would

2049
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:24,719
love that yeah because you can actually

2050
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:26,400
change your consciousness you go into

2051
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:28,159
these temporal sites come out four hours

2052
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,320
later and everything is different your

2053
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:32,080
entire

2054
01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:33,760
state of consciousness would be really

2055
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:35,600
interesting to to to play with all that

2056
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:36,480
stuff

2057
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:38,480
definitely if i get that let's do it i'd

2058
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:40,080
be very up for that we can have the

2059
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:41,520
shaman we can have a shaman and my

2060
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:43,040
friend from the indigenous community to

2061
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:45,120
come down to the place we're staying and

2062
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:46,560
he could maybe do something for us there

2063
01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:48,159
one night i could organize that once we

2064
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:50,239
got the participants i'll be right

2065
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:51,520
everyone saying do you want to do that

2066
01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:53,440
or would you rather do this or

2067
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:56,239
whatever very cool so biden's just

2068
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:58,000
signed in our show say the president

2069
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:00,719
president biden has just signed into law

2070
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:03,760
uh s1605 it's the uap bill that's going

2071
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:05,920
to give america a four-year fully funded

2072
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:09,120
uap office and i just wanted to ask you

2073
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:10,800
what your kind of

2074
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:17,750
for the office yeah

2075
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:22,709
i hope that they produced at least their

2076
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,960
annual report on time and that they do

2077
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:27,120
that and it's not a

2078
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:30,400
summary report what i think is really

2079
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,840
important for this

2080
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:33,600
new opportunity is this

2081
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,760
america does represent the only country

2082
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:37,360
in the world that doesn't tell us nation

2083
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:40,800
apart from uh uk a thing about uep or

2084
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:43,040
ufos it's quite wrong here here's a good

2085
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,480
comparison

2086
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:46,560
every year in brazil

2087
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:50,239
the fac the fuerza aerial brazil the fab

2088
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:51,120
fab

2089
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:53,840
produce and publish publicly

2090
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:56,880
their uap report their unidentified

2091
01:16:01,830 --> 01:15:59,040
aerial phenomenon report and it's

2092
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:01,840
amazing to read it's just brilliant it's

2093
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:03,760
2 300 pages long

2094
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:06,880
they take public photographs aerial

2095
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:09,920
military witnesses fleur cameras

2096
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:11,360
and they go through them and they've got

2097
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:13,600
these two scientists all right everybody

2098
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:15,840
knows who they are they're kind of

2099
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:17,520
they're like famous mick west's in

2100
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:20,000
brazil you know they're celebrated

2101
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:22,640
because the it's mind-blowing what they

2102
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:23,920
do with these

2103
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:26,640
you get these cool ufo reports things

2104
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:29,520
lights flying into volcanoes stuff that

2105
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:31,040
goes on in america all the time but they

2106
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:32,960
don't go anywhere they hit

2107
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:35,280
instagram pages but in brazil because

2108
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:37,760
there's a great respectable department

2109
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:39,600
the whole world public send all their

2110
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:40,960
images in so they get two or three

2111
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:42,960
hundred a year

2112
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:44,719
the way they get through them and the

2113
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:46,320
way they publish their pie chart at the

2114
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:47,520
end of the year

2115
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:48,800
perhaps this is a little bit

2116
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:51,440
disappointing for ufologists but it does

2117
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:53,679
raise a big question is this

2118
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:56,239
every year 100 would you believe this

2119
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:58,719
100 of the sightings are accounted for

2120
01:17:04,550 --> 01:17:01,600
by the fact fab in brazil whereby

2121
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:04,560
it's balloon it's bag it's reflection

2122
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:07,120
it's and they do have this other section

2123
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:08,640
they do have their little other section

2124
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:09,920
but there's it's

2125
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:12,159
but it's i'm not as sort of mysterious

2126
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:13,440
if you like it's not interpreted it's

2127
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:15,120
mysterious as is in america but the

2128
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:17,120
point is

2129
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:18,159
brazil

2130
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:21,040
is sharing its scientific processes of

2131
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:23,679
debunking categorizing and looking at

2132
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:26,000
visual phenomena whether it's public

2133
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:28,719
educating them that report it just i'd

2134
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:30,560
love it i keep going back to it and i

2135
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:32,880
read and they they'll like there's one

2136
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:35,520
image in particular that might just um

2137
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:37,840
sticks in my mind so you have the a

2138
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:40,080
volcano in mexico this was actually sent

2139
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:42,960
from to brazil although it was mexican

2140
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:44,560
there's a large streak going into the

2141
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:46,800
top of the volcano and it turns out that

2142
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:48,800
the camera was in a 30-second exposure

2143
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:51,360
that tilted back on the last second so

2144
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:53,920
it pulled the moon into frame

2145
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:56,320
but the astronomer the scientist who was

2146
01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:58,719
looking at this i mean really you look

2147
01:18:01,830 --> 01:18:00,640
at him you're like there's your ufo it's

2148
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:01,840
been a while coming but there's your

2149
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:02,960
picture

2150
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:04,560
he went and then he zoomed in and he

2151
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,320
looked at the angle

2152
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:08,880
of the line of light and he was able to

2153
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:10,800
compare that with a mast that was two

2154
01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:12,880
mile distant work out the width of the

2155
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:14,320
light and compare it with the moon and

2156
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:15,840
show that it was the moon pulled into

2157
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:17,520
sight he went back to the photographer

2158
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:18,719
and the photographer admitted it and

2159
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:20,480
said you know you're right the camera

2160
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:22,880
came back on the last and but it's so

2161
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:25,040
good there's not as much mystery as

2162
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:27,199
there is involved with american ufology

2163
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:29,360
where nobody knows anything

2164
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:30,719
you know it's either

2165
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:32,320
it it's just got i think it's a

2166
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:33,840
wonderful chance for people for them to

2167
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:34,719
say

2168
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:36,000
here's a bunch of sightings and whether

2169
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:37,679
you like it or not

2170
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:39,600
this these were this this was this this

2171
01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:41,760
was this i think it was just it's public

2172
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:42,960
to be a bit more honest with that

2173
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:44,080
because

2174
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:45,840
you know if everybody from the if there

2175
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:47,679
was how many people in america we've got

2176
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:51,120
400 million 380 million

2177
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:53,520
i think somewhere in the region of 15

2178
01:18:56,709 --> 01:18:54,719
isn't it was it last year it was

2179
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:56,719
published haven't experienced or claimed

2180
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:59,120
to see the ufo or witnessed something

2181
01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:00,480
unexplainable

2182
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:02,080
you know if that amount of people in the

2183
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:04,400
country were phoning up the white house

2184
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:09,270
we think there's russians in our gardens

2185
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:11,120
there's unexplained me it would be it

2186
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:12,800
would be a military exercise all over

2187
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:14,719
and there would be media coverage

2188
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:16,960
americans would have to explain i just

2189
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:18,400
think there's so much secrecy because

2190
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:20,320
it's associated so closely maybe with

2191
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:23,280
military but there's no reason that a

2192
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,120
country without wealth and resources

2193
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,440
couldn't publish a really solid report

2194
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:29,760
to the public every year because it's

2195
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:32,000
not ufologists i always think someone

2196
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,760
that's interested in the ufo community

2197
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:35,520
is graeme randell

2198
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:36,480
because

2199
01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:39,199
he's not a ufo author he's a military

2200
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:41,360
historian primarily

2201
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:44,480
and do you know that a ufo report from

2202
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:46,400
biden's government every year is not

2203
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:48,159
just going to satisfy ufologists it's

2204
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:50,880
going to satisfy military historians

2205
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:54,080
visual optical scientists filmmakers

2206
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:55,679
everybody who would want to be

2207
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,080
interested in that uep study because if

2208
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:00,480
it's not ufos what is it because we're

2209
01:20:04,229 --> 01:20:02,080
all interested in that what these are

2210
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:04,239
drones there's another 10 million drone

2211
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:06,800
pilots are interested in it i think it's

2212
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:08,320
really really important to see what

2213
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,080
these things are that are flying around

2214
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:12,480
and i hope that comes now if brazil can

2215
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:15,040
do it on such limited budgets and social

2216
01:20:18,629 --> 01:20:17,199
problems surely too then america can do

2217
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:18,639
that

2218
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:20,560
ash you have been incredibly generous

2219
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:21,920
with your time and i think we could go

2220
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:23,920
another two hours but we'll save that

2221
01:20:28,229 --> 01:20:25,920
for the next time i just want to finish

2222
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:28,239
up and ask where can people find you and

2223
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:30,000
your work you've mentioned the instagram

2224
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:31,440
and twitter if you want to give out

2225
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:33,040
those kind of details on the website of

2226
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:34,800
course yeah i'll i'm just going to be

2227
01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:39,669
you'll get me

2228
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:46,229
and for phenomenology is one of the

2229
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:48,560
menus there you'll see it you can

2230
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:50,159
come and register interest and we'll

2231
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:51,920
send you the details of the trip but

2232
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:57,510
awesome and obviously on instagram uap

2233
01:21:02,550 --> 01:21:01,120
columbia twitter uap colombia and uh

2234
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:02,560
they're good accounts to follow and it's

2235
01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:04,159
good to see how active you are as well

2236
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:05,679
and what you're contributing to the

2237
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:07,840
community like you say as a community as

2238
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:09,520
much as it's a dysfunctional family

2239
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:14,239
sometimes it doesn't always get on um

2240
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:16,719
that uap was a great way for me as i was

2241
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:17,840
recovering

2242
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:20,560
to i was i've made like we just worked

2243
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:21,840
out last night we've had over one

2244
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:23,840
million views on our youtube video on

2245
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:25,679
our instagram videos in less than a year

2246
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:27,679
congratulations this is all ufology and

2247
01:21:32,950 --> 01:21:30,080
uap now here's the cool thing is

2248
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:32,960
not on one post today was there ever an

2249
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,320
ashley kiwi there because here's the

2250
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:36,400
thing see when you do telly stuff

2251
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:39,040
when people know it's you

2252
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:40,800
it doesn't matter whether i present the

2253
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:42,880
holy grail and go here you go people are

2254
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:44,560
either going to like it or not depending

2255
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:46,560
if they like me or not and i think

2256
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:48,719
that's really sad because ufology and

2257
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:50,960
uap stuff is so much bigger than any one

2258
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:53,360
person so i did a year of posts there

2259
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:55,199
which is all just working with you

2260
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:57,280
apology artists you know working with

2261
01:22:02,229 --> 01:21:59,840
line drawings and visual artists and i

2262
01:22:04,149 --> 01:22:02,239
was taking dj's big djs in columbia and

2263
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:04,159
marrying them with visual artists in

2264
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:06,159
america and we've got svava barker's art

2265
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:08,400
they're from uk and marrying it with

2266
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:10,000
music from drum and bass guys in

2267
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:12,639
colombia it was all anonymous and we

2268
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:14,080
managed to build up that really really

2269
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:16,719
really solid following based on the art

2270
01:22:21,030 --> 01:22:18,320
for the art's sake

2271
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:21,040
not on whether someone likes my

2272
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,360
you know the cut of my jib or not

2273
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:25,199
well hopefully people like the cut of

2274
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:27,120
dan's jib enough that they're going to

2275
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:30,320
help help dan get out to colombia and

2276
01:22:33,990 --> 01:22:32,000
get involved in this project which i

2277
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:34,000
know will probably be one of if not the

2278
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:36,080
best thing for him he'll have ever done

2279
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:39,840
in his life so i totally agree he needs

2280
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:41,360
to get away from your office i think

2281
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:42,960
that was one of the cheesiest links i've

2282
01:22:51,590 --> 01:22:49,430
i prefer

2283
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:51,600
the genius of it

2284
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:53,520
ash awesome talking to you it's been an

2285
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:55,600
absolute pleasure and we know you're

2286
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:56,800
going to be back on in the very near

2287
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:58,480
future uh hopefully in the next month or

2288
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:01,120
so so great speaking with you

2289
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,400
thanks so much for having me on it was

2290
01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:04,560
just such a nice time spending the

2291
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:06,320
morning with the period thank you ash i

2292
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:08,719
hope we get to meet face to face soon

2293
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:09,840
oh we will

2294
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,920
that is all for this week's show thank

2295
01:23:15,910 --> 01:23:13,920
you very much for listening please

2296
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:15,920
remember to leave the podcast a review

2297
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:18,560
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2298
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:20,880
retweet and subscribe that would all be

2299
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:22,800
very much appreciated the shows are

2300
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:24,960
being uploaded on youtube as we speak

2301
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:26,480
more and more you can sign up at

2302
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:28,960
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2303
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2304
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2305
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:36,719
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2306
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:39,920
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2307
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:42,080
and again folks as always keep looking

2308
01:24:08,709 --> 01:23:44,890
up you never know what you might see

2309
01:24:08,719 --> 01:24:14,770
champagne

2310
01:24:14,780 --> 01:24:27,350
[Music]

2311
01:24:35,810 --> 01:24:29,880
cuz

2312
01:24:35,820 --> 01:24:43,110
[Music]

2313
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:44,709
and everything was weird and everything

2314
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:46,560
was red i helped out my boys they

2315
01:24:54,370 --> 01:24:47,840
thought this was noise they thought it

2316
01:25:00,820 --> 01:24:59,480
[Music]

2317
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:00,830
[Laughter]

2318
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:16,930
what's that

2319
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:20,310
[Music]

2320
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:29,270
your space serious your lies

2321
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:50,709
[Music]

2322
01:25:54,410 --> 01:25:52,560
it wasn't a tic-tac and not quite a

2323
01:26:03,370 --> 01:25:54,420
saucer

2324
01:27:09,830 --> 01:26:56,130
[Music]

2325
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:11,910
that is all for this week's show thank

2326
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:13,920
you very much for listening please

2327
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:15,920
remember to leave the podcaster review

2328
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:18,639
on your chosen platform you can like

2329
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:20,880
retweet and subscribe that would all be

2330
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:22,800
very much appreciated the shows are

2331
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:24,960
being uploaded onto youtube as we speak

2332
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:26,480
more and more you can sign up at

2333
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:29,040
patreon.com forward slash that ufo

2334
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:31,679
podcast to access shows ad free as well

2335
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:33,920
please get in touch on twitter facebook

2336
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:36,800
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2337
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:40,480
twitter it's at ufo uap am and again

2338
01:27:45,180 --> 01:27:42,400
folks as always keep looking up you

2339
01:28:05,510 --> 01:27:45,190
never know what you might see

2340
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:12,240
is

2341
01:28:12,250 --> 01:28:46,470
[Music]

2342
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:47,830
they thought this was noise they thought

2343
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:00,520
[Music]

2344
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:25,149
consider your heart

2345
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:44,810
[Music]

2346
01:29:59,440 --> 01:29:52,639
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

2347
01:29:59,450 --> 01:30:13,590
[Music]